Ferguson big DONATIONS list

Ferguson big DONATIONS list

You can donate to the people in Ferguson,  Missouri in many ways.  This list is re-blogged from:

Here is a list of donations, protests, and petitions that you can do to help the people in #Ferguson and to assist #MikeBrown and #EzellFord all others who have been killed by the hands of the police. I will try to update as much as possible.
Donations for Mike Brown’s Family:
Michael Brown Memorial Fund:
These funds will assist his family with costs that they will acquire as they seek justice on Michael’s behalf. All funds will be given to the Michael Brown family.
College 4 MikeBrown’s Siblings:
This effort will help support Mike Brown’s siblings, 2 younger sisters and a younger brother go to college. It is run by Sara Goldrick-Rab, UW professor of the Wisconsin HOPE Lab (http://www.wihopelab.com) and Michael Johnson of the Boys and Girls Club of Dane County (Madison, WI) can vouch that all funds will go directly to the family.
Other Donations:
Jail support info for those who are arrested at Mike Brown rallies in Ferguson.
Bail and Legal Fund for Those Arrested During Ferguson Anti-Police Demonstrations:
A bail and legal fund has been established to support people who have been arrested during the anti-police demonstrations in Ferguson, Mo. If you have a friend or family member who was arrested, please email us their name at antistatestl@riseup.net
Donations to Protestors in Ferguson to provide food and other supplies. All monies will go directly to purchase those items. This is for PAYPAL DONATIONS ONLY:  SadittyCooks@gmail.com
The also have tshirts available all proceeds will go to fund this campaign.
They are looking for medical and mental health professionals, counselors, as well as community organizers to go to Ferguson to assist those who are in that area. Also if you are willing to donate sky miles or buddy passes please contact: Please use this email address for volunteer services ONLY: ophelporhush@gmail.com
There is also an amazon wish list set up to help children receive school supplies in Ferguson. This list is SEPARATE from the wish list that is set up for protestors:
Amazon Gift List:
These items are being directly shipped to St. Louis, MO to assist protestors who are on the frontline in Ferguson. It includes toiletries, items to help in clean up the area, food etc. You can also send notes in the some of the packages shipped.
Feed the students of Ferguson:
This fund was originally set up to feed the students who go to school in Ferguson who were to start school on August 14th. Many students in Ferguson rely on meals provided in school, and the delay in the start of classes means that many of the children will not eat.
*Jennings students still needing free lunch or any mental services can contact their school directly for more assistance* Referenced: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/article_c2435462-d3e4-59f6-9edd-2ae6b5cfe438.html
St. Stephen’s Food Pantry
The help distribute food to those in need and currently due to the situation going on in Ferguson they were looted and those goods go to needy families in that area. They need boxed meals such as Hamburger Helper and lots of toiletries. Donations are now being accepted on their website: http://saint-stephens.info/collaboration/our-community-the-vine/food-pantry/
Here is the contact info for shipping items:
St. Stephen’s Food Pantry
33 N Clay Ave Ferguson, MO 63135
Ph: 314-521-0138
St. Louis Business Journal has created a list resource list for those who also need assistance in their community. There list will also be updated as they collect more information. Please click link: http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/morning_call/2014/08/as-unrest-continues-in-ferguson-volunteers.html?ana=twt
St. Louis Urban League: http://www.ulstl.com/
They are accepting donations for school supplies for the children in Ferguson and collecting non-perishable food items. Here is the 2014-2015 school supply list for the Ferguson/Florissant School District: http://www.fergflor.org/pages/Ferguson-Florissant_SD/Parents/6725006080717623026
Please call 314-615-3668 for more questions.
If you wish to donate items to STL Urban League please ship them to:
ATTN: Barbara Bowman
Urban League Metropolitan of St. Louis
3701 Grandel Square
St. Louis, MO 63108
Petition for Federal Laws to Protect Citizens from Police Violence and Misconduct
Mike Brown Law. Requires all state, county, and local police to wear a camera:
 A petition for a Mike Brown Law is asking to be created because to the latest accounts of deadly encounters with police. That law will set aside funds to require all state, county, and local police, to wear a camera.
Petition to remove Bob McCulloch from any grand jury proceedings in regards to the Micheal Brown investigation. Find information about it here:https://www.change.org/p/judge-maura-please-recuse-biased-prosecutor-bob-mcculloch-2?recruiter=37856323&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_mobile
Don’t Shoot MO Campaign
Please review website for more information:
Other Pertinent Info:
#Ferguson Support Collection:
This was a google doc that was created that has information on crisis counseling for those affected by the happenings in Ferguson, ustreams of live protests, legal support, etc.
United Way of St. Louis has crisis support services that are available to those affected by the tragic events in . To find help, please call 2-1-1 or 1-800-427-4626.
Students from Walnut Grove Elem can come to the Ferguson Library where a few teachers have activities set up for their students from 9am to 4pm. Please refer to the website for more info:  ferguson.lib.mo.us

How Cointelpro Works

How Cointelpro Works
by Susan Basko, Esq.

The other day, a true troll lawyer who is suing "half the people on the internet" posted a link to a cointelpro-created blog article that is supposed to cause people to think ill of me. The article, which is several years old, is a classic example of cointelpro.  In this age of the internet, cointelpro smear pieces have lasting power.

 The cointelpro smear piece against me emanates from early Occupy Los Angeles and keeps being revived by the cointelpro agents and their dupes. Before the OccupyLA camp started, there were planning meet-ups. Some of my family and friends were involved, and I gave some legal advice, such as to get porta-potties and that it is legal to sleep at night on the sidewalks in Los Angeles. After the OccupyLA camp got situated in the park by City Hall, it soon was infiltrated by paid agents.  Some of those agents formed a group that was supposedly more radical. This is a common technique to draw in the fringe elements and often, to entrap them. That supposed radical group was engaging in hardcore smear campaigns against many of the people who were doing the most positive work in running the camp, the media, and the finances.  I was quietly advising many of the people who were being smeared by this supposed radical group.  The supposed radical group had (and still has) a tumblr that is used to attack others, in typical cointelpro fashion.

Now watch how cointelpro works: One day, I was doing some trademark work and I noticed that 2 different people had applied for trademarks on the Occupy LA name.   One was an application by a person who was trying to "own" the OccupyLA name for himself as an organization and the other was trying to own the name for commercial products.   I thought it was important for the OccupyLA group to retain its own name and trademarks and not allow ownership of the name to be usurped by individuals looking to make a profit.

I emailed my findings about the trademark applications  to the editor of the OccupyLA website, for which I wrote many articles.  The editor asked me to put it in writing what could be done about the trademark applications and to list how much it would cost to deal with it.  I wrote him a simple explanation of the range of possibilities:  I could keep an eye on the situation and wait and see if the two trademark applications that were pending made any progress and report back to him as any changes took place, and this would cost nothing.  I could mount challenges to the two trademark applications by writing and filing letters and this would cost whatever the fee was for that, with my time donated.  The most aggressive tact would be to challenge the pending applications as well as to file trademark applications for the main real OccupyLA group, in the same categories that were in the pending applications.  The government filing fee on each category is $300.  So while I was willing to donate a good chunk of my time, this aggressive proposal would still cost a few thousand dollars.  Depending on the available budget, the group could choose the wait-and-see approach, the aggressive approach, or somewhere in between.

The editor of the OccupyLA site forwarded my emailed report to a few people, among them at least one of the cointelpro agents in the supposed radical group.  Soon, this person was creating a fantasy that I was greedy, that I was hoping to be paid "big money" that increased with each time he wrote the smear story.  First it was $1000, then $3000, then $10,000.  And the smears became outlandish.

When one is dealing with cointelpro agents, there is no dealing.  If you tell cointelpro agents that the thing they are saying is untrue, they simply create more lies.  I had been watching for  months as these same cointelpro agents worked hard to chase off the most productive people at OccupyLA. The victims of the cointelpro smear campaigns were concerned for their reputations, and rightly so.  I too, was concerned for my reputation. I knew the cointelpro agents who were working OccupyLA were fierce, highly trained at disinfo campaigns, at stopping productivity, and at causing rifts and divisions.

The same cointelpro tumblr and twitter account are still up and running and still maintained by obvious cointelpro agents. They still post links to their smear articles to try to harm the reputations of the people who helped productively with OccupyLA.

The reality is that I gave many hours to the people of OccupyLA and continue to give free legal advice and assistance to those who ask.  This happens behind the scenes.  The other reality is that while the camp was going, I was the one steering in many of the donations. Donations were money, food, water, tents, blankets, clothing.   I never asked anything of OccupyLA, but rather, offered to assist with the trademark situation and told what the costs would be.

The important thing to understand is that cointelpro agents weave their fantasies to scare off productive people, to create divisions, create confusion or fear, all to stop societal change from taking place.

Here is an interesting catch: Whenever I see this ludicrous cointelpro article claiming I somehow tried to make money by helping OccupyLA, I know that the person posting it is in touch with or working with the cointelpro agents.  Or the cointelpro agents see an ill-informed dupe and send them a link to their defamatory smear piece.   That's because any of the real people who actually helped with OccupyLA also had this same bunch write a smear piece on them.  Or many smear pieces.

Last I checked, new smear pieces were still being created by these same cointelpro operatives.   One of the agents often uses twitter to post a short, outlandish smear. I saw one where he posted saying a man I know was a rapist.  Just that.  A 140 character tweet with no further info, just labeling a very good, kind man a rapist.

There is little to nothing that can be done about cointelpro agents, other than to make people aware of what is going on, make them aware of the presence and work of the agents, and to gather the good, productive people into a safety net for each other.  Understanding the mechanisms of cointelpro and disinfo campaigns is important when trying to build a community or movement.  The powers that be very much want to control the people, the events, and the outcome.  Challenges to the status quo, challenges to have a better, happier, more fair society are frightening to those whose livelihood or luxury depend on quashing new ways of thinking and being.

So, when a person copies, quotes, or links to any of the cointelpro-created smear articles, this is a sure way to tell the person is either a cointelpro agent, a dupe, a fool, or just very naive and new to protest.

Barrett Brown's Plan to Overthrow the Government

Barrett Brown's Plan to Overthrow the Government
by Susan Basko

By now, you have probably heard that the U.S. government, on February 14, 2014, in the federal criminal case USA v Barrett Lancaster Brown, filed a sealed Opposition to Brown's Motion to Dismiss the first of three indictments against him and that in it, the U.S. alleged that Brown and Anonymous "secretly plotted the overthrow of the government."  At first glance, this sounds similar to people in the early 1960s afraid that young folks wearing bobby socks and dancing the Twist were plotting to overtake the nation with Communism.  At that time, those were serious concerns of quite a few people.  Today, there is serious concern that Barrett Brown may get prison time based on notions that seem just as far-fetched.

snippet of Docket in US v Barrett L Brown  
Why is the government filing sealed documents in a criminal case, which by the U.S. Constitution is supposed to be a process open to the public?  The docket, pictured in part above, shows that Brown's lawyers filed the Motion to Dismiss as Document 98.  Then there is a gap, with Documents 99 - 101 missing.  Those 3 documents are likely a motion by the government requesting to file an Opposition to Brown's Motion to Dismiss under seal, the Court Order giving the government the right to file that Opposition under seal, and the Opposition Reply itself.  In order to be able to file under seal, the government usually must state that the document contains information or allegations of crimes that are still under investigation.

Since the Opposition was filed under seal, we know of its contents only by the inferences that can be made and the quotes from it contained in Brown's Reply to the Government's Opposition, which can be read HERE.  Brown's Reply states that the government is alleging that Brown and Anonymous "secretly plotted the overthrow of the government." Since the document is filed under seal, this likely means the government is engaging in an active investigation into this alleged crime.  So, this is serious.

If you carefully read the law below, you will note that "overthrow of government" refers to that done by "force or violence," including by threats of violence against persons or property. If the government were able to prove that Brown or any member of Anonymous were advocating, publishing, or organizing to overthrow the government by force or violence, including by threats, then those who do so or who conspire to do so might be imprisoned for up to 20 years.  So, this allegation by the government is rather extreme, and not the ridiculous joke it seems at first glance.

The law that pertains to overthrow of government is
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

The law prohibits the overthrow of government by "force or violence."  "Violence" is defined under Federal penal code as:
The term “crime of violence” means—
(a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or
(b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.  

Tweet in @BarrettBrownLOL timeline Sept 9 2012  
So, it is okay to advocate changing or overturning the government, just not by force or violence.  Now, let's take a look at the methods actually proposed by Barrett Brown.  Perusing Brown's Twitter timeline, this series of tweets (above) about the ICP is found.  The ICP is Insane Clown Posse.  In a move bordering on hilarious, the FBI recently declared the Insane Clown Posse to be a "gang." To be blunt, the ICP is a bunch of white trash fans of the ICP rap band.  They call themselves Juggaloes and paint their faces like clowns.  The females are called Juggalettes and dress like cheap whores. Sorry, there is no other adequate way to describe it. The Gathering of the Juggaloes is a yearly music fest, usually held at a very rural place in Southern Illinois, that involves drinking beer, sliding in mud, fighting, and listening to exceptionally crappy music.  If these folks go to one music fest a year, thank goodness it is the Gathering of their own kind.

Barrett Brown is clearly joking in these tweets.  The ICP members are no more capable of  "seizing Michigan" than they would be of using a fork properly.  These tweets are droll wit, portending an imaginary future when the ICP is a political force, rather than a musical farce.
Tweet in @BarrettBrownLOL timeline Sept 7, 2012 
Nearby on the Twitter timeline, there is this tweet, with hashtags that seem to be Brown calling #Anonymous to #revolution.  What is at the pastebin is shown below. It is a document obviously written by Barrett Brown, that he titles "Operation Pursuant."  It is an exhaustive listing of methods of communication and gathering, mostly via the internet.  This is a revolution of thought, to take place not in meeting halls, but on the internet.  NOWHERE DOES THE DOCUMENT EVEN HINT AT ANYTHING VIOLENT.  This is Brown's manifesto: that people should gather on the internet, discuss, research, and share their ideas and information.  If this is Brown's attempt to "overthrow the government," it is perfectly legal, totally Constitutional, perhaps even Jeffersonian.

Encyclopedia Dramatica and Doxbin: What are They?

Encyclopedia Dramatica and Doxbin: What are they?  

Encyclopedia Dramatica and Doxbin are two different, but interrelated, websites that sociopaths use to harm their victims. Posting another person's name or information onto either site is a crime under U.S. Cyberstalking law and many other laws. The US DOJ strongly hinted it will soon be prosecuting such websites in its strongly worded indictment in the Corey Turner case, which elaborated the wrongdoings of "Anonymous" including: "doxing," that is, publicly disclosing online a victim's personal identifying information, such as the victim's name, address, social security number, email addresses or accounts, and personal telephone numbers, with the object of, among other things, intimidating the victim or subjecting the victim to harassment." The US DOJ recently closed down several other extortion sites and closed down an overseas server used for obscenity, and charged those running the sites or servers with violations of CFAA, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. 

What is Encyclopedia Dramatica? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a website run by sociopaths for criminal purposes. Those using the site use it to stalk, harass, endanger, defame, coerce, extort, and seriously harm their victims. They do so by posting the victims' names and personal information, often along with defamatory materials or photos. The website contains shocking obscenity. It is illegal for anyone to post anyone else's name or information on such a site. It is a crime to connect any person's name or reputation with obscenity or pornography without their specific written permission. The site posts outlandish defamation and ridicule of its victims, most of whom seem to be good people who have run afoul of the rotten criminals who run and use the site. In other words, Encyclopedia Dramatica is bad people attacking good people and trying to ruin their lives or even have them killed. The site's underlying purposes of extortion, financial extortion, coercion, and harassment add another layer of serious crime.

 What kind of people use Encyclopedia Dramatica? As far as I have seen, the users are deranged sociopaths who find shocking obscenity acceptable and who are so deep into criminality that they think nothing of harming their innocent victims. They are people who think defaming and cyberstalking others is fun. They are deeply sick criminal-minded people. They are not people from one group. Some may be in the uglier sectors of Anonymous, the hacking group. Others are in Rustle League, an antisemitic online hate gang, or GNAA (Gay Niggers Association of America), a group of whites that try to pose racial hate against Blacks as being hip or fun. In other words, antisocial, hate-filled criminals. The site is used to extort, coerce, shame, humiliate and harass -- all of which are illegal under Cyberstalking and other laws.

At the sentencing of Andrew Auernheimer aka Weev, the racist, antisemitic computer hacker, the prosecutor told a pathetic story of how Weev used Encyclopedia Dramatica to destroy the lives of his victims.  The story was of a man begging to have his name and photos taken off the site, and  Weev demanding a high extortion payment. The story is pathetic, but it is more pathetic still that Weev has a fan club of groupies. More pathetic still is that the U.S. government has not yet closed down this extortion mill that has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of so many innocent victims.

 One example of an Encyclopedia Dramatica user is a woman who uses the names "T----- K--- and "T---- R-----" and uses the twitter handles @an----- and @T----. She lives in Arizona and claims to be a paralegal. I do not know this woman, nor she me, and we have had no interaction. She is a stalker who for months posted about the internet that I was "not a real lawyer." That, of course, is defamation per se. Then, she began posting links to something "about" me on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Posting anything about me onto such a website is in and of itself a crime. When she was sent Do Not Contact notices, she continued to post her cyberstalking harassment. This same woman posts shockingly obscene photos on her Twitter account. They are pictures of the sort that make normal people wince and turn away. (These same photos are on the Encyclopedia Dramatica site.) In a nutshell, this is an extremely dangerous, depraved cyberstalker. This woman's boyfriend is a well-known cyberstalker and troll, who has bragged many times about computer crimes, such as pirating software made by a well-known internet user, DOSing, and cyberstalking victims. What sort of paralegal is deeply involved in harming others on the internet, in depravity, obscenity, etc? (Her names and handles have been withheld because investigation is pending.)

 My Experience with Encyclopedia Dramatica and Doxbin: My own experience with Encyclopedia Dramatica is as one might expect in dealing with entrenched, organized criminals. They are involved in sickening obscenity and in lying about other people. They set out to harm other people. They have threatened to harm me, to destroy me online, and to kill me, in a highly detailed death threat. They have extorted me and demanded extortion money. They have posted defamation "about" me onto their obscene website and when asked to remove it, have ridiculed and said they were posting more defamation and lies. These are extremely bad people, morally bankrupt. I can name their names and have tons of evidence, but that is in the hands of the FBI and I will let law enforcement deal with these criminals.

 What Crimes are Involved? As a licensed attorney with much advanced education in Computer Crime law, my opinion is that posting anything about another person onto Encyclopedia Dramatica, posting any link to the materials on the site, posting or copying the obscene photos, and participating as an admin or running the server of the site are all crimes. It is also my opinion that anyone running, serving, linking to, or participating in the site can be held criminally liable for any crimes that happen to any of the victims, as conspirators. I think this also reflects the prosecution trends of the US DOJ at this time.

 Who Runs Encyclopedia Dramatica? That is not known to me. But you can see in the photo up top, Brian Zaiger of the Boston area has fairly recently claimed to be the "Global Administrator Encyclopedia Dramatica." Look what else he says he belongs to- the antisemitic cyberstalker gang Rustle League and the racist white group that mocks Blacks and calls itself GNAA or "Gay Niggers Association of America." He has a diversified portfolio of hate.

Please note that I have asked Brian Zaiger specifically to remove all mention of me from Encyclopedia Dramatica, and even explained that the posting my name on a site with repugnant obscenity is illegal. Brian Zaiger's reaction? Sadistic mockery, proclaiming his right to cyberstalk and defame others.

 What is Doxbin? Doxbin is a website that allows users to deposit the name and personal identifying information of victims for the purpose of opening the victims up to an array of crimes, including fraud, bank theft, identity theft, harassment, stalking, rape, assassination. The site encourages the users to post all material, no matter how criminal. The information is put onto the deep web/ tor, so that it is used by the criminals who inhabit that netherworld. Those running the site try to instill fear by telling victims they are being put on a "proscription list," where their names and information will be made specially available to murderers and thieves. Congratulate me - these psychopaths say they have put my name on such a list.

 What Crimes are Involved? Posting info of another person onto Doxbin is a crime of cyberstalking in and of itself. The people running Doxbin have also allegedly threatened people with death and harm and have also allegedly created a "proscription list" to encourage other criminals to specially victimize those on the list. As a licensed attorney with much advanced education in Computer Crime law, my opinion is that posting anything onto Doxbin is a crime and that using Doxbin to get information on others is a crime, as is running the site. It is also my opinion that any person who posts information onto Doxbin can be held criminally liable for any crime that happens to that person, as part of Conspiracy, as can those running the site. I think this also reflects the prosecution trends of the US DOJ at this time. 

What Else To Be Aware Of: The Encyclopedia Dramatic website is set up to download things onto the computers of visitors. The downloads begin automatically and almost surely are malware. That is why I have not included a link to the site. My advice to the curious: DO NOT GO THERE.

 EXTRA NOTE: How Did I Become A Target of these Hate Groups? The law enforcement people I speak with ask how I became a target of this malicious bunch. I became a target of the hate group Rustle League and its associates a year and three months ago, when I started giving help to a man who has mental illness, after he was arrested. The man had been a call-in guest a few times on the Vince in the Bay BlogtalkRadio show.  The show was inhabited by the immature and antisemitic Rustle League members. Led by their leaders Jaime Cochran (also known as Asshurtmacfags), who has appeared on television bragging about harming others with cyberstalking and who co-hosted the shows with Vince Tocce, and a malicious person who calls himself Shmoop, the group began to viciously attack me with shocking antisemitic slurs, slurs against the mentally ill man, attacks against my legal practice, etc. This turned into massive attacks against me by the group and its associates and followers.

 I have never met or spoken with any of those attacking me. I have had no dealings with them, other than being attacked by them. These are not people who have been harmed in any way whatever by me, they are simply evil people.

These Rustle League people engaged in a whole massive series of attacks against me, including posting lies accusing me of major crimes, stalking, death threats, a bomb threat, extortion, creating obscene and vulgar videos and pictures using my nice photos, vulgar and antisemitic impersonation Twitter accounts and  Facebook accounts, impersonation blogs, hacking accounts, illegally posting of personal information, theft, fraud, identity theft, terrorizing phone calls, constant barrages of denigrating Twitter posts aimed at me by hundreds of sock puppet and troll accounts, BlogTalk Radio shows where lies and hate smears against me were stated by guests or in the chat room, and on and on.

 The Rustle League is closely connected to Doxbin and Encyclopedia Dramatica and the death threats, extortion and defamation by these two sites is simply a continuation of the year and a half of disgusting hate crimes.

 The gist of the hate is antisemitic: that I am a Jew who helps "crazy" people. Ironically, I am Irish Catholic and yes, I do help those in need.

 I know this sounds a bit confusing. The actions of hate groups often do confound. These are people without morals, without decency, without normal standards of right and wrong, who have sunk totally into depravity and social sickness. I think people should be alarmed at this virulent strain of hate popping up at this juncture in history. Especially alarming are that this group has apologists who think of this type of hate as ironic, hip, fun, pretend, etc. Take my word for it as a victim, their hate is deadly.